Goku-Swag

May 8 2014, 05:52 PM

Yusuke Urameshi

May 8 2014, 05:45 PM

Goku-Swag

May 8 2014, 05:37 PM

Yusuke Urameshi

May 8 2014, 04:52 PM

^ This.

Also, Trunks thinks SSJ Vegeta could take the #18 of his timeline when he fights against Present #18.

I don't think that says enough , what you just said.

Then read my other 2 posts.

I go into detail why it's impossible for the Androids to be Suppressed again.

No i believe that the androids are stronger , but i dont see a expalianation of that argument i quoted.

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Also, Trunks thinks SSJ Vegeta could take the #18 of his timeline when he fights against Present #18.

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Why would they be suppressed? They clearly didn't hold back on Future Gohan when they went for the kill against him.

The Anime is the only version that shows the duo Suppressed. Future #17 hints at this when he says "We were using less than 50% of our power against you" so I don't know why he would hold back again after saying that.

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The fight between Future Gohan and the Future Androids never happened in the Manga.

Gohan encounters them normally in the manga like how he did in the Anime where Future #17 tells him he wasn't using 50% of his power the last time he fought him. After that, the fight between the two isn't shown and we can assume Future Gohan got killed on the spot seeing the gap between him and the Future Androids. For Future #17 to suppress himself once more would be redundant seeing as Gohan got stronger from their previous fight.

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Artificial Human No. 17
An artificial human who is a modified human boy. Equipped with an eternal energy engine, he never tires out. Though he likes to fight, he always thinks of battles as games. His power is on par with Piccolo after Piccolo merged with God, but like No. 18, the original purpose for which he was created was as food to allow Cell to reach his perfect form. Also, the No. 17 and No. 18 in the future where the adult Trunks came from are somewhat inferior in power, but are cruel and inhumane.

• Present Androids - These are the Androids of the main storyline. Absorbed by Cell. 18 gets released by Gohan, marries Krillin. 17 is resurrected by Shenron (though details of his life after that are lacking, we do see him contribute energy to the Genki-Dama).
  
• Trunks' Androids - These are the Androids that run rampant in Trunks' future, Killed most of the Z-Senshi. Destroyed by Trunks.
  
• Cell's Androids - These are the Androids from the original timeline, where Cell comes from. They are never shown, and are defeated somehow (likely with a deactivation remote), causing Cell to jump in the time machine, to acquire alternate Androids.
  
• Alternate Present Androids - never seen but must exist in the 4th timeline/Universe (the Universe from which the Trunks that Cell kills travels to and returns from). No information available/possible, and thus removed from the following comparison.

• Trunks was being toyed with, resulting in: Trunks Androids = Cell's Androids = Present Androids
  
• Trunks was right, his Androids were weaker… but, because of the highly probable conclusion reached above, they have somehow weakened over time.

Vertical

May 8 2014, 09:35 PM

There are 4 timelines/Universes, and thus 4 sets of Androids, implied to exist during the Cell Arc.

• Present Androids - These are the Androids of the main storyline. Absorbed by Cell. 18 gets released by Gohan, marries Krillin. 17 is resurrected by Shenron (though details of his life after that are lacking, we do see him contribute energy to the Genki-Dama).
  
• Trunks' Androids - These are the Androids that run rampant in Trunks' future, Killed most of the Z-Senshi. Destroyed by Trunks.
  
• Cell's Androids - These are the Androids from the original timeline, where Cell comes from. They are never shown, and are defeated somehow (likely with a deactivation remote), causing Cell to jump in the time machine, to acquire alternate Androids.
  
• Alternate Present Androids - never seen but must exist in the 4th timeline/Universe (the Universe from which the Trunks that Cell kills travels to and returns from). No information available/possible, and thus removed from the following comparison.

During the Cell Arc, Trunks exclaims that the Present Androids are superior to his Androids.

Many take this at face value, declaring that Trunks remains correct until proven otherwise.

A problem (many seem unaware of) arises when Cell arrives.

Cell knows how powerful the Present Androids are. He knows when he's too weak to defeat them, and when he's strong enough to do so.

The Androids cannot be sensed, so any information he has on them must come from his own timeline. Thus, through Cell, we get:

Cell's Androids = Present Androids

If 2 of the 3 comparable sets of Androids are equal, and the 3rd set are renowned for not fighting at their full power, it is highly probable that all Androids are equal.


Due to Trunks' statement, there are two possibilities:

• Trunks was being toyed with, resulting in: Trunks Androids = Cell's Androids = Present Androids
  
• Trunks was right, his Androids were weaker… but, because of the highly probable conclusion reached above, they have somehow weakened over time.

If you choose to believe that Trunks was being toyed with, and that all versions of the Androids are equal, you contradict nothing… except possibly Author's intent (which is irrelevant).

If you choose to believe that Trunks was right, and that Present Androids > Trunks Androids, you are also required to believe that the Androids somehow weakened over time. This belief must then lead to questions like "Could the same thing happen to the Present Androids?"… to which nothing was implied.

NOTE: I am currently replying while at work… on a very, very small window (so small that I cannot clearly read what I am typing). The argument should be clear though, so please forgive any careless errors.